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UPSTAND: VERY LIGHT-WEIGHT KICKSTAND FOR SILVIO AND VENDETTA
Most serious bike riders do not have kickstands, presumably because most kickstands are heavy.
UpStand kickstands ( http://upstandingbicycle.com/ ) are extremely light. There are 2 options:
Fits all bikes with 700 mm tires, including Silvio and presumably the Vendetta.
Option 1:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip (the metal stub on the wheel hub) plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever.
Option 2:
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips
Photo below shows the Silvio most stable with the UpStands splayed out, front angled forward, back angled back. How much splaying controls the amount of tilt, and can be adjusted at each stop by twisting the short clips.
Update: Splayed out UpStands, front forward, back back, needed, else the bike does not lean enough and tends to topple to the right. I have subsequently fixed this by bending the UpClip tabs outward, so the UpStands point directly down (no picture). I like it better. Beware that I have been told that newer tabs are hardened to be more sturdy but break if one attempts to bend them. Older UpClips from 2015 like mine are softer, so mine did not break. I had to bend the rear tab out less, because the rear wheel tended to skitter away with same as front lean; the full lean of the heavy front now keeps the whole bike steady.
Two photos below: Front wheel.
Two photos below: Rear wheel.
Experience:
Usually it is faster to lean my bike against something or lay it down. But when I'd rather not, UpStands work great but with some time and fiddling. Putting them on and taking them off is a multi-step process, including unfolding and refolding and being careful, because they bend easily.
Sometimes the magnet inside the UpStand drops down a little. This prevents the UpStand from sticking to the UpClip. Temporary fix: Turn the UpStand upside-down and bang on the pavement to move magnet back.
Speed cost of the weight:
On a website bicycling computer that calculates speed based on weight of the rider plus incline, etc. ( http://bikecalculator.com/veloUS.html ). I ran scenarios that summarize to roughly (and within my range of weights and speeds) that 30 lbs. costs 1 mph uphill regardless of speed. So an extra 30 lbs. reduces a hill climb from 6 mph to 5 mph, or a hill climb of 11 mph to 10 mph. (Wind drag of the UpClips and stowed UpStands not considered.)
Option 1 Speed Cost:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip, plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever (weight of the velco or elastic neglected).
Speed cost of the weight: 0.05 inches per second uphill. From the speed/weight calcualation above, the cost of an extra 1.4 oz. works out to about 0.05 inches per second uphill (1.4 mm /sec.). Estimating that half the time is spent climbing, that works out to a loss in one hour of about 8 feet. By comparison, my rides tend to vary by + or - 1 mph depending on attitude and how my legs feel, a loss or gain in one hour of 1 mile. So, a loss in one hour of 8 feet is buried in the noise for me.
Option 2 Speed Cost: :
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips:
Speed cost of the weight: 0.1 inches per second uphill. From the speed/weight calcualation above, the cost of an extra 2.8 oz. works out to about 0.1 inches per second uphill (2.8 mm /sec.). Estimating that half the time is spent climbing, that works out to a loss in one hour of about 15 feet. By comparison, my rides tend to vary by + or - 1 mph depending on attitude and how my legs feel, a loss or gain in one hour of 1 mile. So, a loss in one hour of 15 feet is buried in the noise for me.
Two photos below show UpStands stored for quick access in a Baccetta Brain Box rear seat bag.
Parts:
Option 1:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip, plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever.
$42.00 Total for 1 UpStand plus 1 UpClip, detachable stands.
$0 - $5: Rubber band or other elastic already around the house, or about 10 inches of 2-sided velcr0: hooks on one side, loops on the other.
Option 2:
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips:
$84.00 Total for 2 UpStands plus 2 UpClips, detachable stands.
Most serious bike riders do not have kickstands, presumably because most kickstands are heavy.
UpStand kickstands ( http://upstandingbicycle.com/ ) are extremely light. There are 2 options:
- Use 1 UpStand and 1 UpClip (the metal stub on the wheel hub) plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever. Total weight of 1 UpStand and 1 UpClip all combined (weight of velcro band neglected): 40 grams = 1.4 oz. (!)
- Thanks to Bruce B. for pointing out this option in his post 2015-09-26 below. I edited my post here to smoothly integrate this option.
- Use 2 UpStands and 2 UpClips: Total weight of 2 UpStands and 2 UpClips all combined: 80 grams = 2.8 oz. (!)
Fits all bikes with 700 mm tires, including Silvio and presumably the Vendetta.
Option 1:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip (the metal stub on the wheel hub) plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever.
Option 2:
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips
Photo below shows the Silvio most stable with the UpStands splayed out, front angled forward, back angled back. How much splaying controls the amount of tilt, and can be adjusted at each stop by twisting the short clips.
Update: Splayed out UpStands, front forward, back back, needed, else the bike does not lean enough and tends to topple to the right. I have subsequently fixed this by bending the UpClip tabs outward, so the UpStands point directly down (no picture). I like it better. Beware that I have been told that newer tabs are hardened to be more sturdy but break if one attempts to bend them. Older UpClips from 2015 like mine are softer, so mine did not break. I had to bend the rear tab out less, because the rear wheel tended to skitter away with same as front lean; the full lean of the heavy front now keeps the whole bike steady.
Two photos below: Front wheel.
Two photos below: Rear wheel.
Experience:
Usually it is faster to lean my bike against something or lay it down. But when I'd rather not, UpStands work great but with some time and fiddling. Putting them on and taking them off is a multi-step process, including unfolding and refolding and being careful, because they bend easily.
Sometimes the magnet inside the UpStand drops down a little. This prevents the UpStand from sticking to the UpClip. Temporary fix: Turn the UpStand upside-down and bang on the pavement to move magnet back.
Speed cost of the weight:
On a website bicycling computer that calculates speed based on weight of the rider plus incline, etc. ( http://bikecalculator.com/veloUS.html ). I ran scenarios that summarize to roughly (and within my range of weights and speeds) that 30 lbs. costs 1 mph uphill regardless of speed. So an extra 30 lbs. reduces a hill climb from 6 mph to 5 mph, or a hill climb of 11 mph to 10 mph. (Wind drag of the UpClips and stowed UpStands not considered.)
Option 1 Speed Cost:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip, plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever (weight of the velco or elastic neglected).
Speed cost of the weight: 0.05 inches per second uphill. From the speed/weight calcualation above, the cost of an extra 1.4 oz. works out to about 0.05 inches per second uphill (1.4 mm /sec.). Estimating that half the time is spent climbing, that works out to a loss in one hour of about 8 feet. By comparison, my rides tend to vary by + or - 1 mph depending on attitude and how my legs feel, a loss or gain in one hour of 1 mile. So, a loss in one hour of 8 feet is buried in the noise for me.
Option 2 Speed Cost: :
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips:
Speed cost of the weight: 0.1 inches per second uphill. From the speed/weight calcualation above, the cost of an extra 2.8 oz. works out to about 0.1 inches per second uphill (2.8 mm /sec.). Estimating that half the time is spent climbing, that works out to a loss in one hour of about 15 feet. By comparison, my rides tend to vary by + or - 1 mph depending on attitude and how my legs feel, a loss or gain in one hour of 1 mile. So, a loss in one hour of 15 feet is buried in the noise for me.
Two photos below show UpStands stored for quick access in a Baccetta Brain Box rear seat bag.
Parts:
Option 1:
1 UpStand and 1 UpClip, plus an elastic or Velcro band around the front brake lever.
$42.00 Total for 1 UpStand plus 1 UpClip, detachable stands.
$0 - $5: Rubber band or other elastic already around the house, or about 10 inches of 2-sided velcr0: hooks on one side, loops on the other.
Option 2:
2 UpStands and 2 UpClips:
$84.00 Total for 2 UpStands plus 2 UpClips, detachable stands.
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