What's on your feet - talking cycle shoes

ratz

Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
Would this be the foot fetish version of bike porn?

DMT's top end R1 road shoe; super comfortable; and less money that mid grade sidi Genius and dominator. M1 is the MTB same design. When I found out I was going to need new shoes to use the P1 pedals I was hesitant to go with the R1 versus the R2 that I know or the proven sidi Genius. Ride reports to follow but super comfortable during around the house break in; not sure I even need to bother.
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ratz

Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
Did you buy thru the dealer in Tampa, FL ??

I wound up with wiggle.com because they had the size I wanted in stock and they had a free shipping sale. I wish we had a dealer in Minneapolis their mid and low end shoes look really good and really good prices; I would like to try some of the mtb and leisure ride shoes. My shoes from last year got tore up when I used my body to protect the Yellow V; but they were good fall even though the entire leather body of the show had massive road rash. I like that these guys don't gouge for prices relative to the competition, cycle shoes still far to expensive; but this shoe was 300 less than the equivalent Sidi shoe. Final cost to me was $274 to the door.
 

SamP

Guru
I sort of wonder how I'd like the shoes you've mentioned over the past year, though they are more than I wished to spend. However, there is absolutely no way I'd buy shoes (cycling or not) without trying them on. I tried around a dozen pairs of cycling shoes last year and only one model felt reasonably comfortable, a casual cycling shoe from Shimano. The salesman tried to find me something higher end unsuccessfully.
 

ratz

Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
I sort of wonder how I'd like the shoes you've mentioned over the past year, though they are more than I wished to spend. However, there is absolutely no way I'd buy shoes (cycling or not) without trying them on. I tried around a dozen pairs of cycling shoes last year and only one model felt reasonably comfortable, a casual cycling shoe from Shimano. The salesman tried to find me something higher end unsuccessfully.

Some of that is knowing what you have tried on before and reading reviews. If you can get close, most online suppliers have super flexible return an exchange policies on shoes as that's the only way they can sell them.

This set was the third set of shoes I tried this winter to get the right fit. I tried Sidi Narrows too narrow, that was a attempt to get a better fit. Then I tried last years DMT model. I had the 4 hole shoe in 42.5 and I recalled it feeling small at the start of the year. But when the 3 hole 42.5 arrived it was too loose. So back it went. Finally with the last minute switch to a three hole shoe the 42 was a good fit. Definitely a winter project of patience. The return shipping comes out to be about the same as my fuel costs to drive to 4-5 LBS in the 200 mile radius that have good shoe inventory.

I find that sizing for people in the US can be a problem as our sizes don't map 1 to 1 to the EU sizes and each manufacturer is different. I can take any off the shelf size 9.5 in the US and it will mostly fit well. Cycling shoes on the other hand have to fit perfect and you can't compensate with sock thickness. I find for me the size 42,42.5 ,43 all fit depending on the manufacturer. It has been my experience that the size is the number one thing that matters; the upper part of the shoe should must fit and the width of the bottom has to fit. The sole will be totally uncomfortable off the bike, because the stiffer the shoe the worse it feels in the shop and the better it feels on the bike.

In my jaded opinion, the big problem is most people that buy shoes at the LBS want a $50-80 shoe that will last 5 years like sneakers. As a result most of the in store inventory is junk low end and the sizes are spotty; if they have more than 3 styles in your size then you have done really well finding a good store.

Because I'm such an introverted person, I've spoken to numerous LBS owners and they affirm it's their single biggest pain point in the business. This is one reason Sidi is so popular. They have the best subsidy inventory program for shops. Because of that I usually tell people to find a shop with Sidi and go figure out which Genius or Dominator fits their foot. If you find a pair that fits you can do far worst than get those. They will last 8-9 years unless you destroy them in a crash.

Once you have the right fit in a Sidi it's easy to branch out into the online ones; you can usually find a size comparison to Sidi for other brand shoes. OR you can use the Sidi sizing template print on paper. Cut out the shoe size you like; then lay it against the competitors sizing guide and see which size you need.

Phew that was wordy....

Here's a couple of take home points.

1) Sidi, Specialized, Shimano, DMT all make great shoes (there are many others but these are 4 you can count on every year to have new and better stuff and many options)
2) DMT and Specialized are much better dollar values because they don't have the massive inventory programs that Sidi and Shimano do with the stores. You get more shoe for the dollar from DMT and Specialized, but you usually have to get them online. Specialized does inventory some of the mega LBS. If you find a store with Specialized in stock expect them to "hard" sell those to you as the best. This is usually a sign they have A LOT of Specialized stock and feel they have the best chance find one that fits you with the least effort and therefore the best us of staff time.
3) If your shoe has velcro or ratcheting brackets the fit has to be near perfect size wise.
4) If your shoe has boas dials or are lace up (yes high end road shoes with laces are back) then the shoe will shape itself to your foot better. The fit will be more forgiving and feel better. You want the closing system to pull the shoe up and around your foot for the best fit. The bike shoe industry has finally figured out that maybe the old ways were in many ways better; and thus boa and lace-ups are back in full force

If someone asked me to help them with shoes
1) I would send the impatient people to Sidi because you get a good shoe for minimal effort.
2) I would send people that don't take care of their stuff to Sidi because they do last forever
3) Patient people with a budget would be sent to DMT to maximize their dollar in exchange for their time.
4) I must try it on in a store people; Shimano
5) I have tried everything and I don't like it... Specialized because for some reason those people always like specialized.
6) If all that fails the person usually winds up with a sandle or tennis shoe style. Which in most cases because cost was king and that is just fine for the type of riding they do and they really will like the shoe and it will work for them.

Your style of riding really dictates how long you find a shoe comfortable. If you evolve you may need different shoes.

Final thought:
You have boots for working in the yard.
You have dress shoes for work.
You have tennis shoes for around the house
You have sandals for the beach
You have running shoes for walking and running.

Why do you have 1 pair of bike shoes for: Leisure riding, 40k TTing, 80 mile social events, and 100 mile centuries all have different demands.

If I made you walk 10 miles in your sandals you'd get blisters. Keep that in mind when you ask that comfort bike shoe to carrier you on that entire 100 mile social group ride in August.
 
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1happyreader

zen/child method
most online suppliers have super flexible return an exchange policies on shoes
My wife and I use Zappos.com a lot for that reason. I think they have free return shipping as well.
You have to search for "cycling" shoes but they do carry some.
Understand I have feet from hell, too narrow for men's and too big for ladies, no arch's , no real instep.
New Balance and specialty shoe stores for me.
I got lucky with some Giro's without having to use the piggybank fund for a pair of Sidi.
Now that I am hooked on clipping in ( lol pun intended ) I may have to look for a storefront for a fitting.
later,,, bye
 

ratz

Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
My wife and I use Zappos.com a lot for that reason. I think they have free return shipping as well.
You have to search for "cycling" shoes but they do carry some.
Understand I have feet from hell, too narrow for men's and too big for ladies, no arch's , no real instep.
New Balance and specialty shoe stores for me.
I got lucky with some Giro's without having to use the piggybank fund for a pair of Sidi.
Now that I am hooked on clipping in ( lol pun intended ) I may have to look for a storefront for a fitting.
later,,, bye

Sounds like a good candidate for Sidi Dominator Men's Narrow.
Then add in e-soles. not cheap but effective.
http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/ge.../review-esoles-efit-custom-footbeds-13-46945/
 

1happyreader

zen/child method
Sounds like a good candidate for Sidi Dominator Men's Narrow.
Then add in e-soles. not cheap but effective.
http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/ge.../review-esoles-efit-custom-footbeds-13-46945/
When I lived in Nashville I lucked in on Jenson's Shoes whose specialties were custom orthotics , extreme sizes.
Jenson's had one of Will Perdue's (Chicago bulls center) custom dress shoes from when he played at Vandy Size 21 7A.
If Esoles is still in business eighty of my dollars would be heading their way . Eighty is about mid point between off the shelf stuff like aetrex and custom builds.
Next time I go to Daytona, I will have to drop in at Dales? shoes and see if they know anything thats not on facebook or the web about e-soles.
later,,, bye
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
I use them because they work and they were cheaper for multiple shoes. 1 set of these will last about 4-6 years.
The real question is:
Does the SOLE contaminate the MOUSE, or does the MOUSE contaminate the SOLE?
 

LarryOz

Cruzeum Curator & Sigma Wrangler
Why do you have 1 pair of bike shoes for: Leisure riding, 40k TTing, 80 mile social events, and 100 mile centuries all have different demands.
I have 2 pairs of shoes: Mavic (custom composite something..) Size 7.5... and size 8.0 for when my feet swell...
should I get more???
 

super slim

Zen MBB Master
I have 2 pairs of shoes: Mavic (custom composite something..) Size 7.5... and size 8.0 for when my feet swell...
should I get more???

Larry is two pairs to allow for one to be repaired after a fall???

I have a pair of Gaerne MTB shoes, size 47, to allow my dainty feet to swell LOTS after about 3 hours of riding on a typical 30+ C (86+F) day.
I tried them on, and instantly fell in love with them in 2010, in the largest LBS in Adelaide, as all others only had the narrow Shimano shoes that were killing my feet after 2 hours of riding.
They are REALLY comfortable, soft leather uppers, so much so that I had them resoled to get clearance over my MTB cleats, as the walking I have done is all on the outside of the shoes.

Would the SOLE improve the comfort and fit as I still have to have the three velcro straps loose, to stop hot foot?
 

ratz

Wielder of the Rubber Mallet
Would the SOLE improve the comfort and fit as I still have to have the three velcro straps loose, to stop hot foot?

The SOLE does two nice things:
1) Dryer foot
2) Holds it's shape to that after lots riding the insole doesn't collapse and fail to support the foot.
3) Good odor control

If the straps on the show are loose then would usually mean the fit is of; the straps are suppose to wrap the stiff upper material around the body of the foot. The top of the shoe should hug the foot gently. This is part of the reason lace ups are coming back. On a recumbent we do get away with a looser shoe because the tightness of fit at the heel isn't as important as it is on a DF where the pedaling is vertical.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/product-news/lace-up-cycling-shoes-here-to-stay-206684
http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/cycling-shoe-trends-of-the-2015-tour-44688/
 
I use my S30 as a vehicle. So my shoe/pedal selection is a balance of on and off bike performance. This combo is turning out great for life with a bike.

Soft Star Shoes Moc3. Hand made in Oregon. Leather for skin protection, thin soles for minimal pedal power loss and barefoot mechanics, slip on and off.
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Ergon PC2 large pedal for large, stiff, ergonomic platform to apply pedal force.
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