YAS CBSV-070

Yet Another Silvio: or 321 (and it is about the bike)

Specifications

Frameset: CBSV-070 2009 model with internal rear brake cable routing, updated rear shock elastomer, stronger titanium leaf spring (with concomitant filing of rear fork spring mount!) and additional headset spacers.

Groupset: Shimano Ultegra, with 10-speed 11-28 cassette, minus crankset.

Crankset: Shimano R600a 50-34 compact chain ring, with 175 mm cranks shortened by Mark Stonich to 154 mm.

Wheelset: BPR Aero 30, with Continental Ultra Gatorskin tyres (700x25C)

Display stand: Xtras Essential Cycling Stand, a heavier duty version of the Shimano Pro Cycle Stand. Useful for assembling bits and storing / displaying the bike.

The finished Silvio with the supplied Mirrycle mirror, bar tape, bell and lights weighed in at 12.5kg (27.5 lbs).

What I learned, or Traps for new players

Patience: Building a custom bike over Christmas is probably not the best time of year to get parts in a hurry, or coordinate deliveries. Threading a rear brake cable through an internally routed system required a feeder brake cable and using gravity for front of frame feed (hold frame vertical) and a coat hanger for the rear feed.

Planning: Cabling the frameset would have been much easier if all the components had arrived at once and I'd cabled a frameset, rather than an almost assembled bike (see Patience).

Reading: The Cruzbike forums are very helpful. Technical gaps can be filled with publications like the Park Tool's BBB-2 The Big Blue Book of Repair 2nd Edition (thanks Mark), and Sidwells' Bicycle Repair Manual.

The value of the LBS(s): When I messed around with boats I learned there were two types of yachties; those that built boats and those that sailed them. I was beginning to turn into a Silvio builder, rather than a Silvio rider! At some point you need to take the bike to one or more LBS and get them to help, unless you are a bicycle mechanic, or have built other bikes. It also serves to spread the word, and the reaction has always been positive and complementary on the Silvio design from both staff and anyone in the shop.

321: My journey to the Silvio

The 321 refers to selling three bicycles: 2007 Cruzbike Sofrider V1, 2008 Birdy Anthracite and 2009 Giant CRX-Zero to get one Silvio. I used BikeExchange.com.au and basically priced each bike at around 50 per cent of what I'd spent on it. All three sold quickly and went to good homes. Two in NSW and one in Victoria (Giant).

I'd bought the Birdy and the Giant to see if a really well-engineered folder, and a no-expense spared flat-bar road bike would make a difference to the way I felt about "conventional" bicycles. Alas, no.

By the time I had ridden the Giant 10 km back from the shop I had a numb bum. The Birdy remained unfolded most of the time, but was a nice piece of machinery. While I still had issues with the Sofrider V1, it was so much more comfortable to ride.

I had bought the Sofrider from the website, sight unseen as it were, and spent a month of Sunday's learning to ride it. Everything clicked when I met Kim Tolhurst and he made suggestions on setting up the Sofrider. By the time I sold it, I was calling it a V1.3 Sofrider (Head stem extender - better knee clearance, Triple chain ring and Vittoria Randonneur Pro tyres - higher pressure). Down at the Geelong "test" track, I rode the Sofrider V2, under Kim's watchful gaze, and everything started to click. My picture on the forum is the Cruzbike grin, not a grimace, as I rode my first Sofrider V2.

The die was cast when John's prototype Silvio arrived in Geelong for Kim to show to prospective buyers. After a 10 km ride along the Barwon River trail, that was that. I had sold all but my Cruzbike Sofrider V1.3 at this stage, but when that had been sold, and Kim came up to help me pack it, I had no excuses, other than a heavy workload.

Shortly before Christmas 2009 John came over from the West, and I met him and Kim at the Cruzbike "showroom" in Geelong, ostensibly to ride the new Sofrider, the Quest and the Sigma. Imagine my surprise when Kim announced we were going to ride to lunch. John gratiously surrendered "his" Silvio, and away we went. I hadn't been on a bike for a month or so, but the joy of riding the Silvio came back instantly. I left Geelong that evening with Frameset CBSV-070.

I have since ridden the 20-inch Quest (Quest 451), and I can see that in my future as the ideal Cruzbike to give people the Cruzbike experience (wife, daughter and sister and friends?). Maybe in 2010 we will reach a "tipping" point for Cruzbikes?

My Silvio build was delayed by Christmas, parts, overseas visitors and a heavy January workload, but it all came together on Friday 12 February, when I went for my first ride on CBSV-070.

I expect I will not visit these forums very often ... because I'll be out riding! Feel free to email me directly if there's any further detail you would like (dennispATtekniche.com.au).

I'll post additional pictures on the crankset, and the GEKKO rear light.

Additional Kit

Shimano PD-A530 SPD Road Touring Pedals: Standard on the Giant CRX Zero Flat-bar road bike.
Cycle Computer: VDO 12.6 with heart rate monitor
"Be seen" lights: GEKKO 3 LED Front and Rear
Bell: Nuvo NH-B777AP
Zefal Spy Mirror

Links (Current as at 21 Feb 2010)

Crankset: Mark Stonich (http://bikesmithdesign.com/)
Cycle Stand: http://pro-bikegear.com/publish/content/pro_2010/us/en/index/products/tools/bike_stand.html.
Wheelset: BikePro http://www.bikepro.com.au/index.php?module=Website&action=ProductDetails&content=2253
Park Tool The Big Blue Book of Repair - 2nd Edition: http://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-BBB-2-Blue-Repair/dp/B001B6NAW2
Chris Sidwells, Bicycle Repair Manual:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Repair-Manual-Chris-Sidwells/dp/075663394X/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
Shimano dual purpose pedals: http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/pedals/mountain/product.-code-PD-A530.-type-pd_mountain.html.
Cycle Computer: http://www.vdocyclecomputer.com/en/produkte/pulsmessung/hc126/funktionen/.
GEKKO Lights: http://www.knog.com.au/Product.aspx?productId=159.
Nuvo Bell: http://www.nuvo.ws/bell/b777ap.html.
Zefal Spy Mirror: http://www.zefal.com/zefal/produit.php?key=472.

Cruzbike-friendly LBSs in Box Hill area, Victoria, Australia

Cycleworks: http://www.cycleworks.com.au/ (Box Hill)
BikePro: http://www.bikepro.com.au (Mont Albert)
Cycle Science: http://www.cyclescience.com.au/ (Mitcham)


Thanks to

Frameset: Cruzbike / Kim Tolhurst
Groupset: Kim Tolhurst and BikePro
Brifter cabling, adjustment and final sanity check: Cycleworks. Special thanks to Brent, Todd and Vladimir.
General advice and help: Kim Tolhurst, John Tolhurst, Jim Parker, Andy Choy and team @ BikePro and Pete Holloway and team @ Cycle Science
Very special thanks to Mark Stonich, for the work he did on the crankset, and his erudite and humorous email correspondence on bikes, the universe and everything, and to Kim Tolhurst for his infectious enthusiasm for all things Cruzbike. And of course John for designing it in the first place!

Pictures
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I've added some images of the crankset and GEKKO rear light. I've positioned the pedals so you can see the two sides: clipless and flat.

The left crank shows how close Mark can get to the indented part of the crank, in shortening the 175 mm crank down to 154 mm. The new Ultegra crankset is hollow, so there is no meat to drill a new hole in.

The GEKKO looks like it was designed for the Silvio, and wraps around the rear suspension quite neatly.



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kling

Active Member
Hi Dennis,
that is one very nice Silvio you have there. Good work

I remember what the first ride on the very same prototype Silvio was like and the urge to buy one on the spot.

I might have to get a Gekko for a rear light... great thought to put it on the rear suspension.

happy Cruzing

Kendrick
 
Dennis,
Excellent write-up on your experiences. I am not likely to write so much or so well. I have CBSV-091 as of early Jan '10 and the building is coming along but in the state of Indiana of the USA there is no chance to ride in February! So I am in no hurry and patience comes easy.
The SRAM Rival group is all bolted on the frame and the initial front triangle adjustments have been made. I am currently working on cable routing and the initial adjustments of the derailleurs and brakes.
Your pictures are good and the last one, showing the rear light on the elastomer, made me smile. Your bike has the same "mirror image" decals on the back of the seat back, such that the right side is unreadable!
Maybe we should tell the factory!
But now I know I don't have a "valuable collectors" bike, because of a "one off" mistake! Too Bad, I think I'll keep it and enjoy it, just the same!
Larry
 
Dennis,
I just re-visited your first post and went to the link for wheelset that you have on the bike.
Those are very nice wheels! I am very impressed by the well engineered rear hub with the 6 prawls to engage the free-hub body.
Those appear to be rock solid. Good Choice.
Larry
 
Thanks Kendrick, John and Larry for your kind remarks. I am inordinately pleased with the build and find excuses to go for a quick ride all the time. I took it to BikePro at lunchtime, as Andy and Nick had seen only bits of the build. Almost two hours later I left (long lunch?) having sorted out the front shock - the magic ingredient was grease - and having them pour over the detail of the design.

As to the "mirror image" decals on the back of the bike I must admit I hadn't noticed this Larry. I remember suggesting a reason for the name Silvio in an email to Kim, which John has acknowledged. I was dredging up Physics 101 and the fact that speed is a scalar quantity, while velocity is a vector, and tying this in to the joy of cornering on a Silvio. This lead to:

(S)peed (i)s (l)ovely, (v)elocity (i)s (o)rgasmic

So I am quite fond of the Silvio name, which now has pleasant associations for me. But I agree Larry, that we have a problem with the decals.

So we could tell the factory, or ask John to use a palindromic name like Otto for his next design :D
 

John Tolhurst

Zen MBB Master
Doc Reyman wrote: ... Your bike has the same "mirror image" decals on the back of the seat back, such that the right side is unreadable!
Maybe we should tell the factory!
....
An intended play with the typography! :)
 
The decals arrived for the BikePRO Aero30 wheels. Just an excuse to show the Silvio on the GripSport bike rack with dressed wheels. It is a brag board after all :)

More information on the bike rack is on an earlier post on the Quest:

http://www.cruzbike.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2396

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I also bought a GripSport Repair Stand and used it over the Easter break to service Melanie's and Nina's diamond frame bikes. I did take them both for a test ride to make sure the wheels didn't fall off, or the tyres deflate. Oh, the pain! I think I'm ruined for riding diamond frame bikes forever.

Interestingly, Bicycle Victoria's April-May 2010 edition of "Ride On" magazine has a section on "Bikes in the news". And along with the Factor001, Woody Bicycles and Aurumania, we have at last - Cruzbike!

http://www.bv.com.au/join-in/129/

That has to be Kim's work?
 
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