What is new on the Silvio S30

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What does the S30 stand for or is it a weird form of Silvio 3.0?

Biggest request is WHAT is new about it???

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updated picture and availabillity line only

It just looks like they updated the picture on the website, and the first line of text showoing
All the description still looks exactly like the Silvio 2.0, and even "options" area where you check what you want to add to your cart still says "Silvio 2.0 Frameset. Looks like someone might have jumped the gun to get something on the website, or just did not finish before uploading the content. EIther way - incomplete and confusing!
Probably just have to wait a while longer!

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Paul, where do you see "S30"

Paul, where do you see "S30" (I don't)?

Glad they took off the "2.0" logo, looks a little better (although I still prefer my bike's "classic" logo).

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hover hover

Jeremy,

the "S30" is visable when your cursor hovers over the new silvio picture.

later .......... bye

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Saw it on Facebook!

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From Facebook comments!

Ted Edinger: It's the 2.0 frame set, right? What does the "S30" refer to?

CRUZBIKE: That's a great question, Ted Edinger - S refers to Silvio and 30 refers to the angle of the seat.

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Hm, does that mean the seat

Hm, does that mean the seat angle changed by 3 degrees?

The FD cable routing in that photo looks different, like the cable is going below the BB.

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Does the steerer tube LOOK

Does the steerer tube LOOK larger in diameter

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I think ALL the

I think ALL the Aluminum parts should be white to show off the carbom fibre parts

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S is for Silvio; 30 is for

S is for Silvio; 30 is for seat recline. Yes its really 27, but we'll use that formula in other models is the thinking. 

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White

I think the new version looks great in white.

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Nailin' it John

Hi John

You're totally nailing it with this latest iteration of the Silvio IMHO. Nice work!

The aspects I like in particular are:

1. The seat recline of 27 degrees. I've long thought that this is the 'Goldilocks' seat recline. Not too steep, not too reclined. Great for climbing with reasonable speed in flat and rolling country. And it is far enough away from the Vendetta seat recline to mark it out as sufficiently different. Well handled.

2. You've maintained the focus on 'Silvio' being the brand, with the 'made by Cruzbike' in the background but still evident. Strikes me as the perfect balance from a branding pov. And you got rid of the 2.0/2.1 or whatever you're now up to. 'Silvio' pure and simple. NIce.

3. Love the new colour scheme. Black looks mean and doing the business, but it's visibility to car drivers is rubbish when you're on the road. I love the white frame with black look. It looks the bomb! (However, I would say that - my new Golf GTi is pure white with gloss black wheels - sex on wheels. Well IMHO again.).

You deserve to sells heaps of this new Silvio. I really hope you do.

Kind regards...                                       Blair

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The bike description got

The bike description got updated.

Silvio S30 version 2.2 delivers the following improvements to version 2.0:

  • Larger boom and slider for even better power delivery
  • Improved front derailleur cable management for easier set up and adjustment
  • Press-fit RD hanger to keep everything in order on front wheel changes
  • 3 mm additional tire clearance on the fork
  • Improved headrest attachment
  • Additional cable adjuster position on slider clamp
  • Front light attachment point
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And they've added this

And they've added this too:

  • Accommodates 11-speed systems

 

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Sounds like sensible

Sounds like sensible incremental improvements to me!  I think it's particularly good that (a) Cruzbike is now offering fully built bikes and (b) a "simple" thing like front light attachment point is included - cos us early adopters figured out our own solutions. 

I was wondering if there would be a new handlebar option, as the previous bullhorns are still not available (either on Vendetta or Silvio pages). 
 

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Since 11 speed is supported,

Since 11 speed is supported, I wonder if there's an "official" solution for the apparently smaller diameter on the Ultegra 6800 bottom bracket bearings (maybe an included shim)?

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press-fit rd hanger

Can the press-fit rd hanger be retro-fitted to the Silvio 2.0?

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11 Speed Supported



Here's what you need for Ultegra 6800 11 speed. Shims for the smaller BB diameter. 1 3/4" outside X 1 5/8" inside x 3/8" wide. Works very well. 

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Improvements

Hi Jeremy

Thanks for the heads-up on the other improvements to the Silvio.

Although these days there is always the assumption that a new model will have many large and small improvements, the dedication that John and the team at Cruzbike have to continuous improvement really impresses me. Across all the recumbent manufacturers, imho Cruzbike is right at the top of the pile for constantly improving their product.

From my perspective, of the improvements you've mentioned, the move to the press-fit RD hanger is possibly the biggest relief. I have two fears with MBB, and one of them is getting stuck on the side of the road with a punctured front tyre and not being able to reassemble the front end.

I'm also pleased that they've up-graded to handle 11-speed; and that with the growing number of 24mm (Pacenti) and 25mm (Hed) road rims available the Silvio can now handle wider tyres.

This new Silvio is a very tempting bike. But I've been waiting patiently for the 11-speed version of the Vendetta to be released, so I'll leave my final decision until then. I'm really hoping that is not too far off.

Kind regards...

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Maybe this is a question for JT? or JParker?

I keep seeing people say that the Vendetta doesn't do 11 speed?
But the Vendetta I have, set up by Jim or John? or maybe Robert?

It has the 11speed SRAM Force cassette.
It might need an adjustment here and there to hit the rings right but - it works just fine?

What am I missing?

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Blair, yes, I usually haven't

Blair, yes, I usually haven't had trouble but just last weekend I had to remove the front wheel on the road, got the chain tangled up in bizarre ways, and managed to put a kink in the RD cable and housing (which I replaced later). A secured RD hanger sure would have helped.

Lief, I thought 11-speed support meant a slightly wider fork dropout spacing to accommodate a wider cassette, but I don't know whether such is always required.

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Is the S 30 front fork

Is the S 30 front fork spacing 130 or 132.5 mm

 

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That makes sense I guess w/RE to 11 sp support.

Jeremy,
Perhaps some 11sp cassettes are wider than others?

All I can say is, my Vendetta II has an 11 sp Ultegra cassette with an SRAM Force derailer and the hub and all fit rather nicely.

and...BTW...my Silvio 1.0 derailer hanger IS indeed a pain when I change a tire.
I live with it, because I love the bike, but the way the Vendetta II derailer hanger works is SOO much better.

Pressfit?!...oooh la la. Sounds better yet.

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KiwiGuy - 11sp Vendetta

I know this is the Silvio forum but KiwiGuy - I think the Vendetta II is just fine with 11sp, if that's what you are after.
See this thread - http://cruzbike.com/sram-force-22-vendetta

 

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What is the S30 steerer tube

What is the S30 steerer tube max OD, and also the V2.0, V1.5, as V1.0 is 35.5 mm, and what are the Vendetta V1.0 and V2.0.

I was wondering what steps in the torsionally Moment of Inertia (Ip), there has been, as the Silvio V1.0 is stiff, when compared to the Quest V1.0, and especially to a RWD? trike, when applying the brakes and applying approximately the same pressure to one pedal.

 

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Jeremy,      I have ALWAYS

Jeremy,
     I have ALWAYS tipped my Silvio V1.0 upside down to fix a front flat and not fully removed the skewer, so the loose hanger bracket is held in place. It also makes it easier to fit the wheel back in as you can easily see what is going on.

The SRAM derailleur with a locking pin would be great, but I need a triple crank, so have stayed with Shimano.
 

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in another dimension

Jeremy S,

I thought 11-speed support meant a slightly wider fork dropout spacing to accommodate a wider cassette, but I don't know whether such is always required.

 They seem to have moved the cassette inward with new hubs and/or dishing.
wheels are now selling with a spacer  to be used with your 10 spd cassette.

might mean some great markdown sales on existing 10 spd wheels.

later ,,, bye

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Also this...

With Shimano on a 10sp will there is spacer between the wheel and the back of the Shimano 10speed Cassette. If you put an 11sp Cassette on a 10sp wheel wheel omit that spacer then the Shimano 11sp takes up just a tiny bit more space than a 10sp and it will fit your fork in most cases the chain will clear.

If you have a SRAM Cassette you normally have already removed the spacer on a 10sp wheel with a 10sp Cassette; and as such with a SRAM 11sp cassette you can't pick up the extra slack that way; with SRAM you will likely need a new wheel like happy mentioned or you need a wider fork or a spacer to push the fork out 2mm+.

 

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Psychologically committed

Jeremy - I hope that you're not feeling too beaten up by your recent fall.

Lief - thanks for your observations and thoughts. I decided about 12 months ago to wait until the Vendetta was released in 11-speed format, and Ultegra Di2 was available. As time went by, people commented that the current version handled 11-speed just fine, even though Cruzbike said to run 10-speed. Then it took a little longer than I anticipated for the 11-speed Vendetta to be released. Now it's a year down the track and I'm psychologically committed to the next Vendetta up-grade. Hind-sight - I should have purchased 12 months ago and run Ultegra Di2 10-speed.

That said, the latest Silvo S30 is looking a very complete bike. I suspect I'll still plump for the Vendetta because I'm a speed merchant, but this is the first time I've started to think that just maybe I need two recumbents parked in my garage!

Kind regards...

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The set of improvements to

The set of improvements to S30 show how closely Cruzbike listens to its avid users - a great reason to be active on this forum!! At the same time, I like that the changes are incremental and, if you are listening on these forums, not a huge surprise. Thus, an owner of a year old model like me does not feel that I have "lost" anything by getting my Silvo earlier rather than later. I think S30 is evolving, but it doesn't tempt me to change my Silvio 2.0 -- the next iteration of a V30 or V40 may be a different story however...
 

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11-SPEED GROUP SETS

The new Silvio S30 accommodates 11-speed systems.
I was contacted by a customer that might order a Silvio but he said it might also be a Vendetta.
When looking for group sets it was easy to find 11-speed group sets but not so many 10-speed group sets.

Do the manufactures only make 11-speed group sets today and the 10-speed group sets are their older stock?
Are there some group sets from Sram and Shimano that function well on a Silvio and some that don’t?
I was thinking about 10-speed group sets and also about 11-speed group sets?

Since the S30 isn’t available yet but will be soon it could be useful to know which 11-speed group set that functions well on the new Silvio.

The customer is Norwegian but we also get some customers from our neighboring countries.

Bringing items to and from Norway
Reimbursement of VAT to tourists
http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/Topic.aspx?id=278987&epslanguage=en

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AWWW YISS Fatter tires. I

AWWW YISS
Fatter tires. I wonder what's the largest 650B that can be fitted into this.

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GUYS GUYS GUYS!! I think i'm

GUYS GUYS GUYS!! I think i'm seeing disc bosses!
Maybe we could fit even LARGER 26"! laugh

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Disk Bosses on the S30?

There are definitely disk brake bosses on the rear end of the S30.  It would be unlikely that there wouldn't be some on the front too.
Narrow 26", disk specific rims are not that easy to find.  Not that easy in 700c 29er either, for that matter.  My Quest 29er has DT Swiss 465D, 700c disk specific rims.  There is a 26" version, the DT Swiss 445D.

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Just lace your own wheel, you

Just lace your own wheel, you can have anything you want!